1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,960 In the summer of 1949, while engaged in magnetic research in the Mojave Desert in California, 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:17,200 I was driving one day with one of my associates, who happens to be the top magnetic scientist 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,440 of the United States. 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:25,640 In conversation with this gentleman, I had occasion to mention a report about flying 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,640 saucers. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,880 I said, Dr. Neal, do you happen to know anything about them? 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,880 His answer was, certainly. 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,000 He said to me, he said, I thought about you last week when I came down from Denver to 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Phoenix. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,760 When I passed Aztec, New Mexico, I said to my wife, I wish I was here because I would 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:52,240 take him out and show him where the first flying saucer landed in the United States. 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,280 I said, Dr. Neal, you mean to tell me that one of these ships landed and that the American 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,920 people don't know anything about it? 14 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:09,240 He said, two telescopes saw this flying saucer or an unidentified chip, and they watched its 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:15,640 position on the telescope and estimated the trust they were it would land. 16 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,840 Within two to three hours after the landing, Air Force officials reached the flying field 17 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:28,640 at Eurango and took off in their search for this object. 18 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:36,200 When they found it, it was in a very rocky, bi-plato territory about 16 miles east of 19 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,800 Aztec, New Mexico. 20 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:45,320 They immediately drew a glory around it, and about seven of our magnetic group of scientists 21 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:49,160 were called in to examine this strange ship. 22 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:55,480 When we arrived on the ground, we decided that the best thing to do was not to touch 23 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,880 it or try to get into it. 24 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,400 We started the ship from a distance or a matter of two days. 25 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:08,760 We even went so far as to bombard the ship with pristine rays with an idea that if there 26 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:14,400 was any danger to be developed, we wanted to find it out if possible before examining 27 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,040 the ship at close quarters. 28 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Then we decided that it was probably safe as nothing had happened or transpired inside 29 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:30,360 the ship to indicate that there was life therein, and we began a closer examination. 30 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:36,080 Apparently there was no door to what unquestionably was the cabin. 31 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:43,560 We found the broken porthole of what appeared in first examination to be glass. 32 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:50,320 But on closer examination we found it was a good deal different from any glass in this country. 33 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:58,280 Finally we used a large pole and rammed a hole through this portion of the ship. 34 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,120 Having done this, we looked into the interior. 35 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:09,120 There we were able to count 16 bodies of little people that range in height from about 36 to 36 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,760 42 inches. 37 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:18,440 We assumed that there must be a door of some kind, so we prodded around with the pole which 38 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,320 we had pushed through the opening made through the broken porthole. 39 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:31,560 And on the opposite side from the broken porthole we found a knob or a double knob to be exact 40 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:38,160 on the wall, and when we pushed against that to our amazement surprise, what turned out 41 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,680 to be the door flew open. 42 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,360 This enabled us to get into the ship. 43 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,200 We took the little bodies out and laid them on the ground. 44 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,400 We examined their clothing. 45 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:59,360 The first thing that struck us was that so far as style goes, some of the boys said that 46 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,040 looks like about 1890 style. 47 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,640 We examined the bodies very closely and very carefully. 48 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:13,200 They were normal from every standpoint and had no appearance of being what we call on 49 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,000 this planet midges. 50 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,320 They were perfectly normal in their development. 51 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:28,120 The only trouble was that their skin seemed to be charred in very dark chocolate color. 52 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,520 About the only thing that we could decide was that this had possibly occurred somewhere 53 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:42,680 in space and that they had been killed as a result of the breaking of the porthole window. 54 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,640 We then began an examination of the ship itself. 55 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:54,360 First we decided to make complete measurements of the ship from the outside. 56 00:04:54,360 --> 00:05:02,960 It was what we would call aluminum colored from rim to rim of the ship and the reports 57 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:10,600 that appeared from time to time in the papers about these strange visitors were and had 58 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:16,160 always been to the effect that they looked like flying saucers. 59 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:22,000 With this ship on the ground we could not help but be aware of the fact that it looked 60 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:30,200 like a huge saucer and you might also almost say that there was a cup in it because the 61 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:36,320 cabin sat in as insert in the bottom of the saucer. 62 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:44,320 The overall dimensions of the ship were found to be almost exactly 100 feet in diameter. 63 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:54,080 To be exact it was 99 and 9900 feet wide from the outer tip of the wing which of course 64 00:05:54,120 --> 00:06:00,520 was entirely circular to the bottom of the saucer. 65 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:07,320 Measure in an imaginary line vertically was 27 inches. 66 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:16,280 The cabin which was entirely round was 18 feet across and 72 inches in height. 67 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:23,160 45 inches of the cabin was exposed above the outer rim of the saucer. 68 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,080 The port holes were located at this point. 69 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,720 The doctor said that he did not recall at that moment how many port holes they were 70 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:36,040 in the ship but that there were several. 71 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:43,480 On getting into the ship he said that their first objective was to decide if they could 72 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,880 how the ship was propelled. 73 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:53,640 The doctor said that he was among the first to suggest that it probably flew on magnetic 74 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,960 lines of force. 75 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:02,000 Some of the boys he said suggested that somebody should push some of the buttons on what appeared 76 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,360 to be the instrument board. 77 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:12,320 But all agreed that would be about the worst possible thing to do because if the ship would 78 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:17,880 start nobody knew which buttons to push to stop it again. 79 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:25,800 So the result was that none of us he said, trust any button on the instrument board. 80 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:33,120 There were two what doctor called bucket seats sitting in front of the instrument board and 81 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,240 two little fellas were sitting there. 82 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,400 They had fallen over, face down on the instrument board. 83 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:49,680 Now it appeared that this ship if flying on magnetic lines of force must have had an automatic 84 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:57,080 type of control so that when it became in danger, when it did not have available its 85 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:04,000 occupants in a position to operate it, simply settled quietly to earth. 86 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:10,040 It already having flown in to our atmospheric area. 87 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Now none of us could arrive in the conclusion as to when or how this window had broken or 88 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:24,920 at what possible point in space could these occupants have been killed. 89 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:31,560 The simple facts were that there they were and we proceeded with the further examination 90 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,200 of the interior of the ship. 91 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:42,280 We found some pamphlets or booklets which in all probability dealt with navigation problems. 92 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:50,640 However, we were unable to decipher any of the writing which we judged to be a pictorial 93 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,080 type of writing. 94 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:59,920 All of these booklets were turned over to certain officials of the Air Force who in turn reported 95 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:07,200 that they were going to have them placed in the hands of men experienced in translating 96 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,360 work of this kind. 97 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,440 I asked the doctor immediately if he had heard of any success. 98 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:20,720 He said that the latest report there had been no headway made of any kind in working out 99 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:26,000 a translation of the written subject matter of the booklets. 100 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:32,520 He said there were not any maps and he said so far as they could determine there was not 101 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:41,520 an instrument of destruction or any kind of firearms as we know them inside the ship. 102 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:49,560 Studying the matter, doctor pointed out to me that this of course was not necessary because 103 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:57,200 if the ship was operated magnetically, it unquestionably had the means by which it could 104 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:04,360 demagnetize any object in its path and thereby disintegrate such an object. 105 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:10,880 This of course would be possible both as human beings on this earth or for that matter any 106 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,800 form of matter which they came in contact with on this planet. 107 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:22,320 Well I said to the doctor, what do you make of this whole thing? 108 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,840 Where do you think these ships come from? 109 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,800 He said, well of course we don't know but he said our best thought at the moment is that 110 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:37,480 it's in time it's possible that they have flown here from the planet Venus. 111 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,520 I asked him why they had decided this. 112 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:48,720 While he said in all the latest research regarding the possibility of life on other planets, 113 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:55,800 it was fairly well agreed among quite a school of thought in astronomical research that 114 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:02,800 the planet Venus could in all possibilities sustain life and that it was much more likely 115 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:08,720 that there was human habitation on the planet Venus than on the planet Mars. 116 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:17,040 Dr. E. Wentz-Fort said that if there were any human beings on the planet Mars they would 117 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:23,120 probably be three or four times as large as human beings on this planet. 118 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:30,000 And since these people raise in height from about 36 to 42 inches, that of course ruled 119 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,920 out imagination with Mars. 120 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:40,600 Day after day over the period of the next 90 days following this first talk about this 121 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:46,680 spaceship or as we came to talk of it, this flying saucer. 122 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:53,280 I made it my business on all types of occasions, most of them when I was entirely alone with 123 00:11:53,280 --> 00:12:00,640 doctor and we were in the midst of research in our magnetic work. 124 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:08,880 I came up with questions at the most inopportune times because it must be understood that I 125 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:17,440 felt that I owed it to myself to run this thing down to where I could finally decide 126 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,280 whether or not this was a true story. 127 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:30,400 And in telling my findings, I am not now going to try to follow any sequence of events. 128 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:38,680 But simply recall all that I had to ask and note it here regardless of its possible order 129 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:40,800 of inquiry. 130 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,840 I said, Dr., how were these ships constructed? 131 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,800 He said, well, our skin of the ship was what looked like aluminum, but on all the tests 132 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:57,800 so far made, there was nothing that had been found by the scientists and experts who had 133 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:05,120 checked into it to indicate that this was any form of aluminum that we know of. 134 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:11,560 He said that on the big ship two or three men could lift one side of it, but in turn 135 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:19,000 that as many as a dozen of them had crawled up on top of the wing and had made no impression 136 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,480 on it, whatever. 137 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:26,840 He said that the Air Force, in wanting to move it, found out that they should dismantle 138 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,600 it on the ground where they had found it, due to its size. 139 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,080 And this began a most interesting study. 140 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,480 There were no rivets, there were no bolts, there was nothing on the outer skin that would 141 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,640 indicate how the ship was put together. 142 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:53,480 After a long study, it was found, however, that the ship was put together in segments, 143 00:13:53,480 --> 00:14:00,120 and they fitted in grooves and were pinned together around the base. 144 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:07,760 When the cabin was gotten out of the bottom of the saucer, they found there a circular 145 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:16,480 gear completely encircling the bottom of the ship, and this gear fitted into a gear that 146 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,600 was on the cabin. 147 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:28,160 The whole thing was very ingeniously put together, and there had to be a lot of care taken in 148 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,440 breaking it down. 149 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:37,600 After it had been broken down, it was moved to the laboratory, government laboratory at 150 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:45,160 Phoenix, and there it remained for a considerable period of time. 151 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:51,640 The instrument board, to the amazement of Dr. and his brother scientists, was also broken 152 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,120 up and all of the inner workings torn apart. 153 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:03,760 This he said prevented in a further study by them as to the magnetic operation of the 154 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,760 ship itself. 155 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:12,400 He regretted this very much because he said that had they been able to keep it intact 156 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,680 for a considerable period, there might have come a time and they might have worked out 157 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:26,160 a plan whereby they could make certain tests as to the different push buttons on the instrument 158 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:33,360 board that would have given them the clues to the magnetic form of combustion developed 159 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,880 on the ship itself. 160 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:43,640 I said, well, I said, what has been done with the people on the ship? 161 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,640 He said that some of them had been dissected, as studied by the medical divisions of the 162 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:56,880 Air Force, and that from reports that he had received, they had found that these little 163 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:04,560 fellas were, in all respects, perfectly normal human beings. 164 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:12,720 He said that one thing that was outstanding was that teeth were all perfect. 165 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:20,960 And as near as they could judge from the characteristics and physiology of the bodies, they would be 166 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:30,640 about 35 to 40 years of age judged by our standards of age of human beings. 167 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:38,560 He said that they all wore the same type of uniform, a dark blue garment, and they had 168 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,560 metal buttons. 169 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:46,360 He said it was significant that there was not any insignia of any kind on the colors 170 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,320 or on the arms or on the caps of these people. 171 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:56,080 So to all intents and purposes, all of them had the same rank. 172 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:01,440 He said that it might, of course, be possible that they had different ranks among themselves 173 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:07,880 that they were played with, but by our standards of ranking what we would call Air Force or 174 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:14,360 Army people, there was nothing to indicate who they were and what they were. 175 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:20,440 Going into the matter of physical possessions on the bodies of the different people, he 176 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,240 said that so far as he saw himself, they were real and nothing. 177 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:32,840 Not that there was two or three pieces which he had had access to that might be considered 178 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,840 timepieces. 179 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:41,960 And he said it was very interesting to study these timepieces because they seemed to do 180 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:48,240 their work or fume-shaming without any attention. 181 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:54,760 He said they were about the size of a silver dollar in diameter and a little bit thicker. 182 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:01,720 And that there were four markings, one at the top and one of what would be at three o'clock 183 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,160 and six o'clock and nine o'clock. 184 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:13,160 And he said it was subtly discovered that the inside part of what they called the timepiece 185 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:22,800 actually moved, but then it took a full, magnetic month for it to complete its circle. 186 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,400 Now he said, you know, of course, that a magnetic month is twenty-three hours and fifty-eight 187 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,640 minutes, a magnetic day is twenty-three hours and fifty-eight minutes, and we found that 188 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:40,640 the time it took to make this complete circumference was over twenty-nine days and figured out 189 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:47,880 in hours and minutes, totally exactly, that number of magnetic days. 190 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,880 He said that there was what appeared to be food on the ship and that these were little 191 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,880 wafers. 192 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:00,320 He said that they fed them to guinea pigs and they seemed to thrive on them, and that 193 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:06,560 on one occasion one of these was put into a gallon container of boiling water and it very 194 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,280 quickly boiled over the sides. 195 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,560 This was the only evidence of food on the ship. 196 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,960 He said there were two containers on the ship that contained water and on checking this 197 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:27,600 water they found it to be normal in all respects to our water, except it was about twice as 198 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,600 heavy. 199 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:36,200 Dr. Recall to me that there was a water in Norway that was about the weight of this water. 200 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:47,200 As I stated a while ago, I continued to ask questions, and to my surprise, Dr. said, 201 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:53,200 I want you to see these ships, and I said, do you mean ships? 202 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,200 He said, oh yes, he said we have three of them. 203 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:04,200 In fact, another ship landed near one of the proving grounds in Arizona, and when we got 204 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:11,200 to it, the door was open on this ship, and on looking into it, there were 16 people in 205 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:19,200 it also, and it was evident that they had not been dead more than two or three hours. 206 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:24,200 I said how do you determine the presence of these particular ships? 207 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:31,200 He said, well, of course you must understand that in the laboratories and also at Elm of 208 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:38,200 Gorda and Los Animas and at different parts of the country, we have tennis court observers 209 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:45,200 who are 24 hours a day watching the tennis court for evidence of objects' ships flying 210 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:53,200 in the sky, and everything that comes within the range of these tennis courts are noted. 211 00:20:53,200 --> 00:21:00,200 He said that the dimensions of the 72-foot ship were comparable in degree to those of 212 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,200 the 99-foot ship. 213 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:10,200 He said we have decided that their mathematical system is in all probability. 214 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:17,200 It is the same as ours because mathematical law should follow for all the planets in this 215 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,200 solar system. 216 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:26,200 He said our reason for thinking this is because we were all struck with the fact that when 217 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:34,200 the measurements of the ship in all of its parts were broken down, we found that they 218 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:40,200 follow what we call a system of nines, whereupon, a doctor went to a considerable length to 219 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:45,200 explain to me the mathematical system of nines. 220 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:53,200 And he said we had decided to conclude from this clue that in all probability they used 221 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:59,200 a system of mathematics similar to ours in this respect. 222 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,200 He said, by the way, he said one of these little ships landed right up above Phoenix in 223 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,200 Paradise Valley. 224 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:13,200 And he said we got out to it in a hurry, and actually one of the little men was about half 225 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:21,200 out of the escape door or hatch, as doctor called it, and he was dead. 226 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:27,200 The other little fellow, there only being two people on this ship, was sitting in his 227 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,200 seat at the control board. 228 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:39,200 This ship was 36 feet in diameter and the size of the cabin and all the rest of the dimensions 229 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:47,200 balanced out on the same system of nines that had been found in the other ships. 230 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:54,200 I said, did they have any sleeping quarters or did they have any toilet facilities? 231 00:22:54,200 --> 00:23:01,200 And he immediately explained that on the 72-foot ship there was a very ingenious device by 232 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,200 which they found, when they discovered how to operate it, where the sleeping quarters 233 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,200 on this ship. 234 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:16,200 He said there was pushback in the wall, what turned out to be a collapsible accordion type 235 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:23,200 screen, and as it was pulled out, it moved around in a half circle, and by the time it 236 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:31,200 reached the wall of the circular cabin, little hammocks had dropped down from the wall of 237 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:40,200 this screen, or accordion-like wall, and there were the sleeping quarters for these men. 238 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:47,200 He said that the toilet facilities were inside of this sleeping quarter place, and he said 239 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:55,200 that it was amazing when you looked at it to know how small it was, but for their purposes 240 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,200 served exactly what they wanted.